DAC?

[audiofill]

Ena na brzino... Silvercore illumination:

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Če boste vsi prinesli pir s sabo, potem dvomim, da boste ugotovili kateri DAC je boljši.
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Audiohedonist

[borisov57]

[patrik klangerstedt]

Just a few toughts..

Hi, I am new to this forum, and also the the Slovenian lanquage (even if i picked up some words during the 3 consecutive holidays I spent in Slovenia.

First i would like to say that it is very impressive to see the level of knowledge and insight among Slovenian audiophiles. During the years, I have had the pleasure to meet some of them, and share musical moments.

Reason for my commenting here is just to balance things out and bring it down to a more realistic level regarding the Angram eval board.

It is good to know the background: Majority of the team had previous engagement with the high end companies like Nagra, Goldmund, Revox etc..
Each tech company comes to a point where they have to define their core values and core activity.
Some years ago Angram's board executives decided that the company should focus on Ip (Intellectual property), meaning developing new technologies and potentical implementation of it.
Thus lots of design around new amplifier technologies and even DSp based work was set aside, since they decided not to manufacture end user products.
But for companies to be able to test the tech, they made different evaluation platforms. Generally an eval board is a very rudimentary simplified platform just so that the tester can have a proof of concept. Now, what they did is a quite much more fancy board than the normal versions. Still it should be mentioned, that it is a eval board, and not a pinacle of their knowledge and capacity.

Just so that we don't get carried away and start thinking that it is the best thing since sliced bread ).
The board has potential, and if you know your craft, and have a good psu, then it will certainly make some sweet noise ;o)

I noticed that there was a lucky gentlemen there who appears to be a happy new owner of the TEAC Esoteric D-05 and p-05! During the years, and the annual visits to CES, I have had the chance to meet with the reps of TEAC and get some insight into their works with the mechanics and converters. Those dudes know their craft! So congrats to you, and I hope that you will have many years of musical enjoyment.

I would perhaps have wished that we compared things on equal terms, meaning that if one wants to have a understanding of a full implementation of the technology, then one should compare to a ready product, in this case, I would suggest Soulutions, who have implemented the Anagram to large extent, or Orpheus Herritage, that has done it full monthy. There and then, we will be able to fully understand the potential.
And as with TEAC the others will be in a price bracket where most of us mortals will have to resort to longing and love in separation ;o)

But for the rest of us, let us extend a applause to each other, for the love and dedication and endless hours we put down into this mad hobby.
At the end of the they it is hard to quantify that, and the enjoyment we receive by doing something of our own is priceless. The feeling of empowerment and joy is not to be underestimated.

Above all, my view of it is, that by sharing knowledge, and experience, and music, we make this all worth wile, during the short stay here on terra firma.

best regards

patrik

[DAVOR]

Audiofill...
Jaz pa še vedno čakam malo bolj obširen opis testa...slikice me ne zanimajo toliko, bolj *hardware* Sabre daca, in primerjava z Anagramom.
Tak splošni opis ...pa mogoče izbereš kak komad iz Opus plate pa ga pokomnetiraš, da dobimo lažjo predstavo.
Čestitke *stvariteljema* Mateju in Sandiju za odličen izdelek.
Ga znamo slišat na Audiodiy srečanju?

l.p.
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[gorko1]

zgleda,da Aljoša ne more stran od hifija. Ta dva DAC-a sta ga prilepla na sedež.

LP,
Goran

[ProJet]

[ProJet]

Že celo popoldne poslušam meni dobro poznane CD-jke in obenem izvajam A-B primerjalni test med Esoteric D-05 in Anagram DAC-om. Na končni stopnji imam možnost v trenutku preklopiti med XLR (Esoteric) in RCA (Anagram) vhodom, ki sem ju seveda natrimal na isti nivo. Sonični vtisi so, glede na moj prvi komentar nekaj postov nazaj, zelo podobni in le stežka bi ugotovil kateri DAC igra, kar mi je zelo, zelo neverjetno. Razlika je na nivoju zamenjave dveh podobnih interkonektov, kar je presenetljivo, saj zamenjava poteka med dvema napravama. RCA in XLR kabli so Nordost Valhala tako, da tu do nekih soničnih razlik ne prihaja. Priznam, da me je tale A-B test malce šokiral in skoraj ne morem verjeti na kakšen nivo je prišel doma stweakani Anagram DAC.

[zvocnik]

mislim, da je med xlr in rca kar nekaj sonicne razlike zato bi veljalo naredit a-b test tudi po zamenjavi kablov med napravama.

xlr je veliko bolj homogen v vseh pogledih kot rca

lp
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Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
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Love is not music
Music is the best !

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[patrik klangerstedt]

The comment i made was not ment as polemics or any form of attempt for phalic comparison. As stated previously, I have great respect for the work that TEAC has done, and i also glad for your sake of finding something that you conceive as the best sounding system.
The main point was that a just comparison is not reasonable between a eval boad and a full fledged high end product made with a considerable R&D team and resources.
You might have not liked the Audio Aero implementation, and that is all fine, to each and every his own. Show conditions (and i can safely say after several inernational exebitions) are very seldom optional, and with so many unknown parameters, it is very hard to really draw an absolute conclusion. What one can say is that in that given set up, in the specific room, with the surrounded equipment, one did find it less or more satisfactory.

We do absolutely agree on the fact that there are many products that are overpriced, and despite that there are customers who find it worth the asking price. Many of those reach a point of vanishing return. Many of which i find mind buggling.
That goes for audio, automotive or basically any industry.

I have heard some implementation of anagram, from very basic to more comprehensive, and my feeling is that some have done better job than others, as can be said of those implemnting BB, ESS, analog devices or any other for that matter.

Generally, my felling is that when products reach a certain level of exellence, what one chooses is a matter of preference.
As long as we clearly see it as such, and agree that non of us is the ultimate arbiter for sonic excellence, knowing that at the end of the day, it is a highly subjective process of what we prefer.
So in general we do agree, the product that you like is outstanding by any measures, no discussion needed
No need for ego bashing or polemics. We are in this, because musical reproduction is a central part of our life, and as male spieces we need the male bonding process, so often missunderstood by the fair sex

Let's embrace our different and sometimes opposite preferences and remember to enjoy the music, and its reproduction, aware that it indeed is one of the most sublime arts.

best regards
patrik

[gorko1]

[ProJet]

[audiofill]

DacMagic še zmeraj vzdiguje prah. Zdaj se je tudi audio legenda Milan Rupić razpisala o njemu:

http://www.audiofil.net/hifi_item.asp?NewsID=286

In že ga je nekdo tudi napadel:

http://www.audiofil.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11092

Po moje čisto upravičeno, saj je recenzija nikakršna. Od njega kot cenjenega audio znalca in novinarja bi človek pričakoval recenzijo na višjem nivoju. Kje so tisti časi, ko ga je še bilo pravi užitek brati...

[Vinylfan]

Tudi mene je Rupićev članek nekoliko razočaral. Imam občutek, da je "moral" nekaj napisati, pa se je lotil teme, ki mu ni preveč domača, pa je nastalo, kar je.

[ajka]

LP
UUU...Če bi širša audio publika vedela kako nastajajo audio članki znanih in manj znanih "audio novinarjev" !!!
Tam kjer je še prisotna "ljubezen" do audia, entuziazem, razgledanost, idealizem in še malo "naivnosti" so "audio zgodbe" resnične!!!
Ko pa nastopi odnos,"kdo bo imel kaj od tega" se pa zgodbe lahko odvijajo na sto in en način...Od takega,ko meji audio testiranje na DNK laboratorij ali pa samo gostilniško razpravljanje...Krivi so predvsem novinarji in ne proizvajalci, ker so si pač dovolili spuščanje na take ali drugačne nivoje,ki so večkrat že čez mejo legalnega !!!
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In če bi enkrat udarili po mizi,bi se zgodila "audio apokalipsa"...
Propadlo bi kar nekaj "časopisnih hiš" in zaprli bi kar nekaj "audio tovarn"

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