Yamaha NS-10

[LightBit]

Zate je mogoèe to dovolj dobro.
Za mešanje glasbe ni. Zame ni. Za monitoring v studio je tudi kot pravijo v redu.

Še malo dodatne "harmoniène strukture" dodaš pa imaš high-end, ane?

[ambasador]

Oèitno ni samo zame dovolj dobro. So vsi studiji ki to uporabljajo že desetletja, kljub tvojemu mnenju. Pa tudi tu na forumu nimaš niti enega somišljenika da je to zaniè zvoènik.
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[jacoby]

NS-10 noben resen studio ne uporablja že desetletja...še "garažni" amaterski ne.
Škoda èasa za tak crap.
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[LightBit]

Evo ga.

Poglej Å¡e malo dlje od tega foruma:
http://www.torgny.biz/Stereo%20systems_1.htm

[joztom]

Vedno je, žal, potrebno upoštevati okus poslušalcev in konzumentov mešanja. Tako so se paè v pretežnem delu sveta odloèili za obravnavano referenco, ketere naš mali forum ne more zamajati, preglasiti z nekimi grafi.
Sam sem osebno za svoje izdelke prvinsko uporabljal za referenèni zvok neki drug komplet monitorjev, tudi prisotnih v veliko studiih, ki so enako izjemno slabih karakteristik na LightBit grafih, v resnici pa v situaciji drugi nimajo za burek. Šele po poslušanju teh refrenènih monitorjev, sem lahko stopal z mini koraki naprej v izdelavi zvoènikov, RIAA krivuljnikov in vrhunskih konènih stopenj, pa ne nazadnje tudi TL in OpenBaffle sistemov z veè kilowatnimi pogoni v aktivi. Vsi, ki ste to slišali, poznate, da sem najprej vse referenèno predstavil z monitorji, nato pa zares.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/4301.pdf

[LightBit]

Ja, vsak lahko posluša kar mu paše. Še vedno so veliko boljši kot krièaèki v telefonih.

Upravièeno lahko reèem, da so zvoèniki z takimi grafi zaniè. Ti zvoèniki imajo na najbolj kritiènem predelu Mount Everest in fazne probleme.

Meni je tale JBL 4301 vseeno precej boljši.

[ambasador]

In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.

The forms of denialism present the common feature of the person rejecting overwhelming evidence and the generation of controversy with attempts to deny the existence of consensus.[6][7]
The motivations and causes of denialism include religion and self-interest (economic, political, financial) and defence mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas.[8][9]

Je hudiè kadar se ne razume problematike in se slepo lovi za odrešilne postulate. Potem se slepo brani zdavnaj izgubljene pozicije.

Mimogrede - Yamaha ni nikoli dala na trg crap, zaniè izdelkov. Sploh pa njihovi najuspešnejši izdelki so daleè, daleè od tega. NS10 in njegove izpiljene verzije so bile v proizvodnji desetletja in moraš res biti razštelan da spljuvaš to. Poleg tega da gre za izdelek ki je soustvarjal zgodovino reproducirane glasbe in sam po sebi predstavlja ikono control monitorja.
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[audiofrik]

èlovek , ki si lasti Behringerja , to je eden najboljših v rangu kitajèki od 5 do 150 eur , in bo mogoèe napraskal nekje nekoè skoraj 200 eur za Focusrite zvoèno kartico z katero bo popravljal napako na raæunalniku pa je verjetno res povsem kompetenten, da nam razjasni kako zaniè so zvoèniki ki so takorekoè industrijski standard, sicer jih res še ni slišal, ampak je pa videl graf ki ga povsem razume......

[LightBit]

[LightBit]

[markoni]

Tako je !!!
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[lix]

sicer off topic a odgovor na gornje vprašanje:

XFX TS 550W sta bili dve verziji, precej drugaèni ena od druge.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11524

Èe imaš novejšo GOLD je mala verjetnost da bi bil problem zaradi
PSUja, èe imaš starejšo BRONZE pa je velika verjetnost, da je odpihnilo kak kitajski kondenzator.
Ko kupuješ PSU za audio je pametno pogledati kompetentne teste na netu, predvsem vrednosti Ripple, ki so zaželjene èim nižje in izbor uporabljenih, po možnosti japonskih, kondenzatorjev. Tržna imena izdelkov nimajo veze, potrebno je slediti originalnega izdelovalca OEM platforme, katero uporabljajo mnoge firme, a vsaka s svojim naborom kondenzatorjev in malenkostnimi predelavami. Odliène platforme ima Seasonic, Super Flower, pa kak novejši CWT, GW ... uspešno surfanje želim.

lix
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[jacoby]

Pa da vidimo kaj pravijo o NS10 na zahodu, v dmokraciji:

Origin/myths of the Yamaha NS10 monitors?

Hi,
The story I heard was that a great recording/mixing engineer (could have been Bob Clearmountain or Bruce Swedien) was driving down to the studio and while driving he thought:"Why not try to mix on average american family's bookshelf speakers?" He drives to the hifi shop and buys a pair of NS-10s, mixes the album with it, the album is a hit, everybody buys NS-10s and suffers because of the AWFUL 4-6kHz area.
The bonus is that in the 80s, studios started having more in common in terms of gear (SSLs and NS-10s), which made it easier for engineers to work efficently and know what their mixes sound like elsewhere. The SSLs also enabled them to recall mixes by bringing in a floppy containing the mix...

Hmmm...I was given a pair...And yes they do sound bad!...but I still use 'em from time to time...From the water cooler chatter at the office, it was Bob Clearmountain in Mahatten looking for the crappiest speakers he could find!...He also supposedly used tissue paper on the tweaters to sweeten 'em up a bit!...( There are so many versions of this story that this may or may not be true! )...

I agree with the negativity here, relative to these junk monitors. NS10s are more "myth" than anything else. I honestly believe that they were used based upon their recognizable appearance more than anything else. They sure don't sound any good. I for one, am glad that they're gone. Yamaha also recently announced that they are also discontinuing the official "Yamaha Tissue Paper" that people used to use to tape over the tweeters to roll off some of the fatiguing high end. Good riddance!

It's no myth that they sound like ass...
"Hey! That's not bad for a 1/4" speaker!"
Get It? Thbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!

The latter. And, in my experience at least, the NS10's suck at that too. All those great mixes that have been done on the NS10's have been done IN SPITE of that monitor, rather than because of it, IMHO. I wonder how much mastering was required on an album that was purely mixed on NS10's anyway (assuming they didnt resort to the big $30k studio monitors when they needed to check anything under 80Hz)

Not to be smarta*s but modern day equivalent of NS10's would be iPod, with 256kbps mp3 version of the tune, listened with iPod's standard headphones.
+1

Sad but true. Convenience and/or low cost has superseded quality in most aspects of most people's lives. It's actually pretty generous to specify 256 k files since the Apple default and itunes standard is 128 k. Add some crappy plastic computer speakers if you need to playback for a group.

I have NS10's and I can't stand them. They are sitting in a corner collecting dust. I'll get rid of them if you want them. I currently use A7's as my 'hi-fi' monitor and M-audio av-40's for my sort of 'boombox' reference...my mixes translate really well. Oh, I use a tannoy 8" sub with the A7's. Send me a personal message if anyone is interested in the NS-10's, I'll be happy to send pictures.

...Se nadaljuje v nedogled...

Skratka, referenèni studio standard??

Tako je !!!
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[jacoby]

@ambasador in ostali..., daj si duška, govornica je tvoja!

Nabavi NS-10-studijski referenèni zvoènik, samo, Krella bo pa verjetno treba menjat, sicer bo vrešèalo kot hudiè!



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[lix]

Tisti ki se še spomnijo naj me popravijo, èe se motim.

Bob Clearmountain je bil tisti ki je na poti do studija kupil par NS-044
http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Yamaha/1981/32.jpg
NS10 so nastale kasneje kot upgrade z moènejšim tweeterjem namesto papirnatega, ravno zaradi kurjenja visokotoncev v studijih.
Ta zvoènik ni bil nikoli namenjen kot mastering, je pa hudo referenèen, kar je velika razlika. Kdor ne pozna dela v studiju naj ne pametuje v nedogled.

lix
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