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Pridruen/-a: Pon Okt 2017 23:11 Prispevkov: 2365 Kraj: Kranj
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Objavljeno: Pet Nov 09, 2018 12:20 Naslov sporočila: |
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Zate je mogoĆØe to dovolj dobro.
Za meŔanje glasbe ni. Zame ni. Za monitoring v studio je tudi kot pravijo v redu.
Å e malo dodatne "harmoniĆØne strukture" dodaÅ” pa imaÅ” high-end, ane? |
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ambasador
Pridruen/-a: Sre Feb 2011 19:52 Prispevkov: 5984 Kraj: Izola
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Objavljeno: Pet Nov 09, 2018 12:41 Naslov sporočila: |
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OĆØitno ni samo zame dovolj dobro. So vsi studiji ki to uporabljajo že desetletja, kljub tvojemu mnenju. Pa tudi tu na forumu nimaÅ” niti enega somiÅ”ljenika da je to zaniĆØ zvoĆØnik. _________________ Carpe Diem |
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jacoby
Pridruen/-a: Sre Jun 2008 10:23 Prispevkov: 1111
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Objavljeno: Pet Nov 09, 2018 12:47 Naslov sporočila: |
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NS-10 noben resen studio ne uporablja že desetletja...Ŕe "garažni" amaterski ne.
Å koda ĆØasa za tak crap. _________________ The only way to do great work is to love what you do |
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LightBit
Pridruen/-a: Pon Okt 2017 23:11 Prispevkov: 2365 Kraj: Kranj
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joztom
Pridruen/-a: Pon Jan 2013 11:07 Prispevkov: 1946 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Pet Nov 09, 2018 13:37 Naslov sporočila: |
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Vedno je, žal, potrebno upoÅ”tevati okus posluÅ”alcev in konzumentov meÅ”anja. Tako so se paĆØ v pretežnem delu sveta odloĆØili za obravnavano referenco, ketere naÅ” mali forum ne more zamajati, preglasiti z nekimi grafi.
Sam sem osebno za svoje izdelke prvinsko uporabljal za referenĆØni zvok neki drug komplet monitorjev, tudi prisotnih v veliko studiih, ki so enako izjemno slabih karakteristik na LightBit grafih, v resnici pa v situaciji drugi nimajo za burek. Å ele po posluÅ”anju teh refrenĆØnih monitorjev, sem lahko stopal z mini koraki naprej v izdelavi zvoĆØnikov, RIAA krivuljnikov in vrhunskih konĆØnih stopenj, pa ne nazadnje tudi TL in OpenBaffle sistemov z veĆØ kilowatnimi pogoni v aktivi. Vsi, ki ste to sliÅ”ali, poznate, da sem najprej vse referenĆØno predstavil z monitorji, nato pa zares.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/4301.pdf |
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LightBit
Pridruen/-a: Pon Okt 2017 23:11 Prispevkov: 2365 Kraj: Kranj
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Objavljeno: Pet Nov 09, 2018 19:28 Naslov sporočila: |
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Ja, vsak lahko posluÅ”a kar mu paÅ”e. Å e vedno so veliko boljÅ”i kot kriĆØaĆØki v telefonih.
UpraviĆØeno lahko reĆØem, da so zvoĆØniki z takimi grafi zaniĆØ. Ti zvoĆØniki imajo na najbolj kritiĆØnem predelu Mount Everest in fazne probleme.
Meni je tale JBL 4301 vseeno precej boljŔi. |
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ambasador
Pridruen/-a: Sre Feb 2011 19:52 Prispevkov: 5984 Kraj: Izola
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 00:16 Naslov sporočila: |
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In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.
The forms of denialism present the common feature of the person rejecting overwhelming evidence and the generation of controversy with attempts to deny the existence of consensus.[6][7]
The motivations and causes of denialism include religion and self-interest (economic, political, financial) and defence mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas.[8][9]
Je hudiĆØ kadar se ne razume problematike in se slepo lovi za odreÅ”ilne postulate. Potem se slepo brani zdavnaj izgubljene pozicije.
Mimogrede - Yamaha ni nikoli dala na trg crap, zaniĆØ izdelkov. Sploh pa njihovi najuspeÅ”nejÅ”i izdelki so daleĆØ, daleĆØ od tega. NS10 in njegove izpiljene verzije so bile v proizvodnji desetletja in moraÅ” res biti razÅ”telan da spljuvaÅ” to. Poleg tega da gre za izdelek ki je soustvarjal zgodovino reproducirane glasbe in sam po sebi predstavlja ikono control monitorja. _________________ Carpe Diem |
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audiofrik
Pridruen/-a: Pet Dec 2008 17:19 Prispevkov: 1491 Kraj: LJUBLJANA
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 12:03 Naslov sporočila: |
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ĆØlovek , ki si lasti Behringerja , to je eden najboljÅ”ih v rangu kitajĆØki od 5 do 150 eur , in bo mogoĆØe napraskal nekje nekoĆØ skoraj 200 eur za Focusrite zvoĆØno kartico z katero bo popravljal napako na raƦunalniku pa je verjetno res povsem kompetenten, da nam razjasni kako zaniĆØ so zvoĆØniki ki so takorekoĆØ industrijski standard, sicer jih res Å”e ni sliÅ”al, ampak je pa videl graf ki ga povsem razume...... |
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LightBit
Pridruen/-a: Pon Okt 2017 23:11 Prispevkov: 2365 Kraj: Kranj
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 13:57 Naslov sporočila: |
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ambasador je napisal/a: | In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.
The forms of denialism present the common feature of the person rejecting overwhelming evidence and the generation of controversy with attempts to deny the existence of consensus.[6][7]
The motivations and causes of denialism include religion and self-interest (economic, political, financial) and defence mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas.[8][9]
Je hudiĆØ kadar se ne razume problematike in se slepo lovi za odreÅ”ilne postulate. Potem se slepo brani zdavnaj izgubljene pozicije. |
A sedaj ko ti je zmanjkalo argumentov se greÅ” pa psihiatra?
Z mojega vidika to drži zate.
ambasador je napisal/a: | Mimogrede - Yamaha ni nikoli dala na trg crap, zaniĆØ izdelkov. Sploh pa njihovi najuspeÅ”nejÅ”i izdelki so daleĆØ, daleĆØ od tega. NS10 in njegove izpiljene verzije so bile v proizvodnji desetletja in moraÅ” res biti razÅ”telan da spljuvaÅ” to. Poleg tega da gre za izdelek ki je soustvarjal zgodovino reproducirane glasbe in sam po sebi predstavlja ikono control monitorja. |
NiĆØ nimam proti Yamahi.
Će kdaj ponesreĆØi prižgeÅ” radio ugotoviÅ”, da kar je popularno ni nujno dobro.
Će ne bi ignoriral realnosti bi videl, da nisem edini z takim mnenjem.
Meni ni dober. Će je tebi dober ga paĆØ posluÅ”aj. Jaz nisem rekel, da si "razÅ”telan", ker ti je dober. Jaz sem samo argumentiral, ko sem bil obtožen. |
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LightBit
Pridruen/-a: Pon Okt 2017 23:11 Prispevkov: 2365 Kraj: Kranj
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 14:03 Naslov sporočila: |
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audiofrik je napisal/a: | Focusrite zvoĆØno kartico z katero bo popravljal napako na raƦunalniku pa je verjetno res povsem kompetenten |
Će imaÅ” boljÅ”o reÅ”itev kar povej. Moj trenutni napajalnik v raĆØunalniku je XFX TS 550W.
audiofrik je napisal/a: | sicer jih res Ŕe ni sliŔal, ampak je pa videl graf ki ga povsem razume...... |
Torej si sliŔal Behringer-ja? |
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markoni
Pridruen/-a: Pon Mar 2009 23:09 Prispevkov: 541 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 14:08 Naslov sporočila: |
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Tako je !!! _________________ Only trust your hart (ears) ! Elephant man ...... |
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lix
Pridruen/-a: Ned Jan 2016 3:17 Prispevkov: 501 Kraj: Med Koprom in Trstom
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 15:00 Naslov sporočila: |
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sicer off topic a odgovor na gornje vpraŔanje:
XFX TS 550W sta bili dve verziji, precej drugaĆØni ena od druge.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11524
Će imaÅ” novejÅ”o GOLD je mala verjetnost da bi bil problem zaradi
PSUja, ĆØe imaÅ” starejÅ”o BRONZE pa je velika verjetnost, da je odpihnilo kak kitajski kondenzator.
Ko kupujeÅ” PSU za audio je pametno pogledati kompetentne teste na netu, predvsem vrednosti Ripple, ki so zaželjene ĆØim nižje in izbor uporabljenih, po možnosti japonskih, kondenzatorjev. Tržna imena izdelkov nimajo veze, potrebno je slediti originalnega izdelovalca OEM platforme, katero uporabljajo mnoge firme, a vsaka s svojim naborom kondenzatorjev in malenkostnimi predelavami. OdliĆØne platforme ima Seasonic, Super Flower, pa kak novejÅ”i CWT, GW ... uspeÅ”no surfanje želim.
lix _________________ "Ne moreÅ” dobiti pudinga, ĆØe ne pojeÅ” mesa."
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jacoby
Pridruen/-a: Sre Jun 2008 10:23 Prispevkov: 1111
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 15:14 Naslov sporočila: |
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Pa da vidimo kaj pravijo o NS10 na zahodu, v dmokraciji:
Origin/myths of the Yamaha NS10 monitors?
Hi,
The story I heard was that a great recording/mixing engineer (could have been Bob Clearmountain or Bruce Swedien) was driving down to the studio and while driving he thought:"Why not try to mix on average american family's bookshelf speakers?" He drives to the hifi shop and buys a pair of NS-10s, mixes the album with it, the album is a hit, everybody buys NS-10s and suffers because of the AWFUL 4-6kHz area.
The bonus is that in the 80s, studios started having more in common in terms of gear (SSLs and NS-10s), which made it easier for engineers to work efficently and know what their mixes sound like elsewhere. The SSLs also enabled them to recall mixes by bringing in a floppy containing the mix...
Hmmm...I was given a pair...And yes they do sound bad!...but I still use 'em from time to time...From the water cooler chatter at the office, it was Bob Clearmountain in Mahatten looking for the crappiest speakers he could find!...He also supposedly used tissue paper on the tweaters to sweeten 'em up a bit!...( There are so many versions of this story that this may or may not be true! )...
I agree with the negativity here, relative to these junk monitors. NS10s are more "myth" than anything else. I honestly believe that they were used based upon their recognizable appearance more than anything else. They sure don't sound any good. I for one, am glad that they're gone. Yamaha also recently announced that they are also discontinuing the official "Yamaha Tissue Paper" that people used to use to tape over the tweeters to roll off some of the fatiguing high end. Good riddance!
It's no myth that they sound like ass...
"Hey! That's not bad for a 1/4" speaker!"
Get It? Thbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!
The latter. And, in my experience at least, the NS10's suck at that too. All those great mixes that have been done on the NS10's have been done IN SPITE of that monitor, rather than because of it, IMHO. I wonder how much mastering was required on an album that was purely mixed on NS10's anyway (assuming they didnt resort to the big $30k studio monitors when they needed to check anything under 80Hz)
Not to be smarta*s but modern day equivalent of NS10's would be iPod, with 256kbps mp3 version of the tune, listened with iPod's standard headphones.
+1
Sad but true. Convenience and/or low cost has superseded quality in most aspects of most people's lives. It's actually pretty generous to specify 256 k files since the Apple default and itunes standard is 128 k. Add some crappy plastic computer speakers if you need to playback for a group.
I have NS10's and I can't stand them. They are sitting in a corner collecting dust. I'll get rid of them if you want them. I currently use A7's as my 'hi-fi' monitor and M-audio av-40's for my sort of 'boombox' reference...my mixes translate really well. Oh, I use a tannoy 8" sub with the A7's. Send me a personal message if anyone is interested in the NS-10's, I'll be happy to send pictures.
...Se nadaljuje v nedogled...
Skratka, referenĆØni studio standard??
Tako je !!! _________________ The only way to do great work is to love what you do |
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jacoby
Pridruen/-a: Sre Jun 2008 10:23 Prispevkov: 1111
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 15:17 Naslov sporočila: |
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@ambasador in ostali..., daj si duŔka, govornica je tvoja!
Nabavi NS-10-studijski referenĆØni zvoĆØnik, samo, Krella bo pa verjetno treba menjat, sicer bo vreÅ”ĆØalo kot hudiĆØ!
_________________ The only way to do great work is to love what you do
Nazadnje urejal/a jacoby Pon Nov 12, 2018 12:10; skupaj popravljeno 1 krat |
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lix
Pridruen/-a: Ned Jan 2016 3:17 Prispevkov: 501 Kraj: Med Koprom in Trstom
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Objavljeno: Ned Nov 11, 2018 15:38 Naslov sporočila: |
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Tisti ki se Å”e spomnijo naj me popravijo, ĆØe se motim.
Bob Clearmountain je bil tisti ki je na poti do studija kupil par NS-044
http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Yamaha/1981/32.jpg
NS10 so nastale kasneje kot upgrade z moĆØnejÅ”im tweeterjem namesto papirnatega, ravno zaradi kurjenja visokotoncev v studijih.
Ta zvoĆØnik ni bil nikoli namenjen kot mastering, je pa hudo referenĆØen, kar je velika razlika. Kdor ne pozna dela v studiju naj ne pametuje v nedogled.
lix _________________ "Ne moreÅ” dobiti pudinga, ĆØe ne pojeÅ” mesa."
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